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Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15908	Posted - 2016.01.26 16:45:20 - [1] - Quote Absolutely nothing need be done about a so called "broken" mechanic that can be avoided with a T1 frigates with a couple of webs. If bumping is "broken", then webbing to warp and MWD+cloak is moreso. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15908	Posted - 2016.01.26 17:21:45 - [2] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: That is a good setup, but I wonder how a freighter with Bulkheads adding additional mass which reduces the ability to align. If that web ship could get you out in time. I don't wonder, because I've actually done it. Done correctly, if the Machariel pilot even has time to lock you then he has the reflexes of a hummingbird. Even with bulkheads. Web to warp is only barely not perfect. Lag alone keeps it from an unbeatable trick. Quote: However they should not be allowed to bump infinitely till they get a ransom, (which may or may not actually save them) or ganked. Why not? If you fail to defend yourself, you should suffer the consequences of being at the mercy of the other player. What you're saying is like telling me that I shouldn't be able to scram and web a pod until the guy self destructs or sings me a few bars of Old Man River. Too bad. I can, and it's absolutely permitted gameplay. And what's more, it's your own fault for being caught. You can either bite the bullet and self destruct, or you get to sit there until I'm done playing with you. Deal with it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15909	Posted - 2016.01.26 17:45:21 - [3] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: They can be bumped for a while, but there comes a point when its just harassment No, there isn't. Because the freighter pilot always has a way out of that, he's just unwilling to take it for whatever reason. Quote: Lastly, Ganking is alive and well. Not really. It's mostly just solo ganks of untanked barges or autopiloting pods. The only two groups who can do it with any real effect anymore are huge, and they do it will frankly enormous SRPs. Hell, CODE operates at a loss, for crying out loud. Quote: I hope we can find some middle ground! There is no middle ground, because what you want is not balance, it's a selfish desire for more safety where none is deserved. You get nothing. Hell, if anything, the pendulum is about to swing against you, because you've had things your way for entirely too long now, and at the expense of the rest of the game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15909	Posted - 2016.01.26 17:47:27 - [4] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: However the bumping mechanic, if you happen to fall into the trap should not keep you in limbo for a long time. Says who? Quote: Either they have a gank fleet ready in 5-10 min.. and go for it... or let ya go. Nope. You do not get to dictate what they do with their player freedom. Either free yourself with a game mechanic, or accept that your death is deserved and just self destruct already. Quote: And if they do kill it... make the punishments for criminals get harder and harder and more expensive to recover from with tags etc... No. Theirs is the ONLY playstyle in highsec that has any consequences to begin with. They don't need anymore because you can't be asked to defend yourself halfway correctly. Stop trying to have bad, lazy, sloppy play subsidized by the mechanics. People who play the game wrong are supposed to die. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15915	Posted - 2016.01.26 19:58:00 - [5] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: On the other hand, Eve is supposed to have some element of repercussion for your actions but the repercussions are negligible for the players doing the ganking and non-existent for players doing the bumping and carrying stolen property. Gankers don't have many repercussions? Because the so called victims refuse to do anything about it. Like any PvP interaction, "consequences" are for the other player to inflict. It doesn't take many Talos to gank a Machariel, especially since the bumping one are absolutely not combat fit. Meanwhile, if anyone pops the freighter's wreck, they have basically ruined the gank post facto. The repercussions are there. But no one bothers to inflict them. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15916	Posted - 2016.01.26 21:56:16 - [6] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Your point suggests that people have to become gankers themselves to force repercussions upon the bumpers? "become gankers" nothing, the sec status loss is completely negligible if they don't pod the guy. And yes, I am suggesting that if they want to kill a ship that isn't flagged, that they have to do exactly what everybody else does and suicide gank it. Same thing I have to do if I want to kill a freighter, since they're basically never in player corps. Quote: And that they'd actually have to become more skilled than the gankers themselves at ganking in hunting a more agile, faster, smaller target that can't be endlessly bumped for an hour. If by that you mean get within 20km for about twelve seconds, on a target that you know is going to be hanging around within 10km of a gate anyway. Not that high of a bar to jump, if they hate the ebil gankerz as much as they say they do. Quote: I don't feel this fits in with any kind of white knight roleplay. I don't feel like that matters. They're players, same as everyone else, have access to the same mechanics and are subject to the same restrictions. The only valid complaint they have is that facpo does their job better than they ever could. Quote: Besides which, if enough vigilantes DID decide to act in this way and the machariel losses became high enough then the bumpers would just stop using 'expensive' machs and simply downscale to insurable T1 hulls at which point there really would be no meaningful repercussion for them under the current game rules. Which means you would have had an effect, since due to their MUCH lower mass they have a lot less effect on a freighter. You can't say that it's broken just because other people are allowed to react to your actions. Quote: Outside of bumpers, gank alts can freely travel around highsec in pods and shuttles, freely dockup, freely undock Just like everybody else who pays a sub, yeah. What's your point? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15916	Posted - 2016.01.26 22:37:20 - [7] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: It's still a loss of security status and giving up kill rights to people who'd be happy to use them. Ah, so you're unwilling to deal with the exact same mechanical consequences as the gankers do? If they scare you off, they must be fine then. Quote: And I'm perfectly in agreement that people shouldn't be able to hide behind npc corps, that doesn't validate how the current mechanics work or don't work. Nah, the fact that it's fair and equitable totally does, though. The only reason you see unequal outcomes is because one group of players is bad at the game, and the other is not. If people wouldn't autopilot, ganking would drop by half overnight. Not one thing needs to be nerfed about a playstyle that basically only exists because haulers are stupid. Quote: I don't consider gankers 'ebil' - just a little lazy and scared of losing the ability to continue with their minimum effort, well oiled routine. Yeah, so we should be nerfed because we're good at the game and have our procedures down. And as for "effort", you don't get to say a word about that as long as mining and missioning still exist. Ganking is harder, more thoughtful and requires more effort than almost every PvE playstyle in highsec combined. And hell, that's why ganking exists to begin with. It is 100% avoidable, so the players who fail to put in any effort to defend themselves die. That could not be more working as intended, and I honestly don't care if you think it's "stale" or "boring" or whatever code word you want to use for "it should change because I don't like it", which by the way isn't a reason to change one damned thing about this game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15919	Posted - 2016.01.26 22:58:43 - [8] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Eli Apol wrote: It's still a loss of security status and giving up kill rights to people who'd be happy to use them. Ah, so you're unwilling to deal with the exact same mechanical consequences as the gankers do? If they scare you off, they must be fine then. This is a thing that always makes me laugh. People who complain about ganking often complain that there are no consequences or that the consequences aren't tough enough. As soon as its suggested that they do the same thing to the gankers, they complain that they don't want the consequences. "More effort for thee but not for me" ~Every carebear "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15919	Posted - 2016.01.26 23:06:54 - [9] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: As I already stated...I dont see why you have to become criminal to fight against other people that are assisting criminals themselves. Because they're not flagged. Their actions is explicitly not hostile. Quote: c) One player shouldn't be able to 'disrupt' a players attempt to warp endlessly without being flagged as a suspect or criminal. It doesn't disrupt anything. Their warp engines are still online, and they are not scrammed. It does change their alignment, but that's it. Quote: d) A risky, dangerous system to haul through should have a more interesting permanent population than a single player with a machariel sporadically joined by his mates logging in for an actual kill. Yeah, never happening. That currently occurs because of two things. Facpo being the first, and the 15 min Concord "time out" being the second. Unless you're willing to part with both of those, you'll never see such gatecamps as you claim you want. It's absolutely not in the cards. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15919	Posted - 2016.01.26 23:20:24 - [10] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Because they're not flagged...under the current mechanics you know, those current mechanics that I'm saying need a revamp? /facepalm And the ones I'm saying don't. Bumping into somebody else is a very specifically not hostile act. Not only has CCP said that it's beyond them to change that, since it's the base physics engine of the game, but it also does not fit ANY of Concord's definitions of one either, which require the activation of a module that has a deleterious effect on another player. Quote: Changing their alignment disrupts a player's ATTEMPT TO WARP, it prevents them warping, therefore their attempt to warp has been disrupted. Incorrect. Their attempt to warp is still there, their ship is unable to complete it because they aren't aligned. Hence webs. Quote: I never said I wasn't against changing those mechanics - it's why I said it needs a complete revamp, not just little tweaks and fixes. And like I said, you really aren't going to get it for technical reasons at the very least. They might as well just make a new game as change things that fundamental to the base game. Hell, it took them the better part of a decade to fix POSes, and they didn't actually fix it, it's still in the game because they can't fix it, they just made a replacement for it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15919	Posted - 2016.01.26 23:34:11 - [11] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: ]Again, pointing out a flaw in a mechanic A flaw in your opinion. And I'm stating that it's irrelevant, because it basically cannot be feasibly changed. Quote: Disrupt is not limited in the English lexicon to a module in an internet spaceships game. It does, however, have a very specific meaning in this context. And it is not applicable to bumping. Quote: You are disrupting their attempt to warp. Fact. False. No warp disruption effect is present on their ship. You don't get to dance around it, "disrupt" has a meaning in EVE, and that meaning does not apply to bumping. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15919	Posted - 2016.01.26 23:45:27 - [12] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Nice try Tivianne but unfortunately trying to discuss this on forums with folks like Kaarous, Pablo and similar is fairly pointless as they are absolutely unable to move away from their black/white view of the game. This coming from the tinfoil hatter who has accused dozens and dozens of people of perma ban offenses without any proof at all... is beyond hilarious. I mean really, how you have the gall to say this with some of the heinous **** in your post record, I cannot imagine. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15920	Posted - 2016.01.26 23:46:16 - [13] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: And yet rather than discuss possible fixes, you try to shut down any debate and deny it's even a problem. Why would I possibly discuss "fixes" for something that is working fully as intended? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15920	Posted - 2016.01.26 23:51:33 - [14] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: So it's working as intended...yet CCP were looking at ways to change it? Be more obtuse. Those are two different things. They have said that they cannot change bumping. And they have also said that ganking as it is right now is working fully as intended. They've also derided people who think the NPCs should defend their haulers. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15920	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:02:56 - [15] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: I was discussing the lack of aggression mechanics around bumping No you were not. You were talking about how ganking needs a complete overhaul. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15920	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:08:04 - [16] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Eli Apol wrote: I was discussing the lack of aggression mechanics around bumping No you were not. You were talking about how ganking needs a complete overhaul. Please answer the question, is bumping working as intended in highsec? It is and it isn't. Emergent gameplay itself is an intended part of EVE. [edit: Oh, and it's not just highsec. Bumping is used everywhere. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15920	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:14:19 - [17] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: You might even say it's a flawed mechanic that doesn't work correctly? The game's physics collision mechanics are working precisely as intended. They are intended to bump ships and objects off of one another, and it would be completely dishonest to say otherwise. Players just found an extra use for it, one that CCP themselves has approved of many times in the past. Fluff yourself harder, but there is no getting around it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15921	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:20:28 - [18] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: You just contradicted your own argument No, I did not. And no amount of your deliberately being obtuse changes that. Like I said, the game's collision detection mechanics are working precisely as they were intended to. When ships and objects collide, they are bumped apart from one another, precisely as intended. Or are you suggesting otherwise? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15921	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:30:59 - [19] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: So are we going to discuss fixes now? We don't discuss fixes for a non problem. Now answer the question, carebear. Are you saying that the game's physics engine for collision detection is working any way other than intended? Because if so, you might want to submit a bug report. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15921	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:36:10 - [20] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Haha the carebear ad hominem. Classy but incorrect I'm afraid :) How's that exactly? You claimed that you were in favor of ganking, but that didn't even last two pages before your real intent came out. Quote: No, I'm saying the behaviour of bumping as a method of preventing a player from warping to a different place without suffering an aggression penalty for this 'disruption' is not working as intended. So... you think ship collisions leading to movement was not intended to have been part of the game's physics engine literally each and every day since launch? Whew. Might want to put a ticket in on that one. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15922	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:41:20 - [21] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: But, if you wanted to change the mechanics, how would you write the logic of it? What decisions would you write into the game engine? "If carebear + tears, then highsec - PvP" "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15922	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:47:53 - [22] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: My real intent is still to have more ganking I honestly don't believe you. But I will say that you should be proud of yourself for having found what appears to be a long standing bug, one as old as the game itself. You can have the honors of putting a ticket in for it though, since you're the one who determined that the game's physics engine hasn't been working as intended for the last decade. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15922	Posted - 2016.01.27 01:51:40 - [23] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: I've backed my points up No you have not. You've danced around like you were on fire, while ignoring the majority of what anyone says to you. Quote: Your latest is a simple strawman, trying to propose I think that the physics is broken You said as much. You claimed that bumping is unintended, when I'm telling you that the way collision detection works in this game is not only intentional but it's not something they can change anyway. You don't have a leg to stand on, carebear. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15922	Posted - 2016.01.27 02:39:45 - [24] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: - The primary counter to DEFEND someone that's (e:already) being bumped is to become criminal yourself and gank them Wrong. That's how you inflict "repercussions" on the ganker. There are plenty of ways to defend someone who is being bumped and/or ganked. But more importantly, there are numerous strong and effective ways to avoid being bumped or ganked in the first place. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15922	Posted - 2016.01.27 02:45:32 - [25] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: No gankers really don't have any Risk... loose a 2 million Isk ship. and not have any additional security status drop, or penalty for being a criminal. Same old same old. No Risk. How dishonest. It's basically never just one ship, for starters. Secondly, if you can find me a T2 catalyst fit that only costs 2 million isk, then I'd be surprised. Another thing is that we do have risk, you numbskulls just aren't real players so you don't try and inflict them. Blow up the wreck. Then everything they did is wasted and all they have to show for it is criminal timers. And even without that, we have to deal with the loot fairy, which is more risk than any PvE activity by itself. Carebears don't have to flip a coin to see if they get any mission rewards. Gankers have that to begin with. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15922	Posted - 2016.01.27 02:50:32 - [26] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: PvE'rs aren't aware of RNG based loot drop mechanics? It's absolutely discounted, especially since CCP has nerfed gun mining so much. The primary rewards for missions are isk and LP, while mining is absolutely consistent. And your point about exploration does not help your case, since random loot for exploration sites in highsec is one of the things that makes them a wholly unviable income source. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15930	Posted - 2016.01.27 13:55:44 - [27] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: Im not sure that is really risk. Especially since you outright lied about pricing for the second time. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15930	Posted - 2016.01.27 13:57:02 - [28] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Nope. The only guaranteed way to get out of that situation is ganking the bumper. You lie. I've noticed you do that a lot. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15930	Posted - 2016.01.27 14:34:43 - [29] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Pretty please, prove me wrong I did. You claimed the only way to get out of that situation is ganking the bumper. That statement is wildly, flagrantly false. I really don't know what you hope to accomplish by trying to lie like that, but it probably doesn't matter anyway. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15930	Posted - 2016.01.27 14:44:58 - [30] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: I don't want to engage in criminal activities in order to prevent crime If you're going to deliberately restrict your own options for the sake of roleplay, you have handicapped yourself. Nothing to do with the mechanics, you just want to have your cake and eat it too, and that's not going to happen. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15931	Posted - 2016.01.27 14:47:06 - [31] - Quote "Ganking doesn't have enough consequences!" "I refuse to gank the bumper because I don't want the consequences of ganking!" "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15931	Posted - 2016.01.27 14:51:29 - [32] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: I said that the only guaranteed way of getting out is ganking the bumper. And that is a lie. Quote: Again, please do enlighten us all on viable alternative. Hell, they were posted on the same page as you posted your lie. Why do you need me to do your reading for you? How about you actually read the thread in the first place? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15931	Posted - 2016.01.27 14:52:52 - [33] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Bumping = no consequences Yeah, most things that are explicitly non hostile acts don't have consequences for them. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the direction your engines are pointed doesn't have consequences in any part of the game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15931	Posted - 2016.01.27 14:54:07 - [34] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: For someone who doesn't want to live the life of a criminal, yes it really does. I know, it's poorly designed. It's not poorly designed at all. You refuse to avail yourself of all of the possible options, then your effectiveness is limited. Seems like perfect design to me. People like you who would cut off your nose to spite your face should be less effective than a real player. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15931	Posted - 2016.01.27 14:56:31 - [35] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Explicitly non hostile acts 'under the current mechanics which we're discussing whether or not work as intended and might need improvement" We aren't discussing that. You've already claimed that the way the game has worked for the last ten years is somehow unintended, and I told you to file a bug report. Until they get back to you on that bug report, however, the game's collision detection mechanics sure seem like they're working precisely as intended. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15931	Posted - 2016.01.27 15:10:11 - [36] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Nothing baltec listed applies to getting out of bump with any degree of certainty Wrong. Have you just not done this before, or what? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15931	Posted - 2016.01.27 15:15:54 - [37] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: And this was one of your many fallacious arguments in attempting to strawman one of my points as something it wasn't. Except that it's exactly what you said. You said that it's not working as intended. Except it very much is. Just like emergent gameplay itself is very much intended. The rest of your post is a big old ad hominem and personal attack, which carebears always resort to once they have their facile arguments dashed. I dunno why I ever expect better from you lot. Quote: I don't fly haulers, I don't gank haulers Oh, it shows. Quote: However it is still my opinion that it's a flawed mechanic And your opinion isn't a reason to change a single thing about this game. Don't you have anything better than "I don't like it so it should go away"? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15931	Posted - 2016.01.27 15:28:52 - [38] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Don't you have anything better than the stuff I blatantly made up You cut two words out of a sentence then claimed that I "admitted" that bumping isn't working as intended. You know full well what I meant, you dishonest shill, and you've been lying about it the whole time since. Like you said before though, it's all there in black and white, although that does you no good at all, since it exposes you as wholly dishonest. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15933	Posted - 2016.01.27 15:53:04 - [39] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: No, what I'm saying is that once the first bump lands, you're pretty much f**d and you can do very little if nothing to change that And that is wrong. Yes, avoiding it in the first place is much easier, but it is not impossible to get out by any means. You've been told this repeatedly, so I really don't know why you keep repeating this lie. Quote:** The fact that some guys are so bitter about any discussion related to changing such mechanics is moderately amusing. Heh, carebears always project. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15933	Posted - 2016.01.27 15:54:38 - [40] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: 'It's not broken, it doesn't need fixing therefore all solutions are wrong' Which is absolutely the truth. Not only that, even if it were broken, CCP can't do anything about it anyway. You're sitting here expecting us to entertain your dishonest premise as though it were true. I will not. Ganking and bumping are not broken, period. There is no "discussion" to be had based on a lie. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15937	Posted - 2016.01.27 18:25:47 - [41] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: We know CCP can't do anythign about it...because they investigated changing it. Actually, we know they can't do anything about it because they told us as much. This was in the same vein as the billboard story, I believe. Turns out, they look into messing with all kinds of things more or less all the time, because that's part of game development. It wasn't bumping specifically(in fact if I recall they said on reddit that it was about bastion modules), it was "hey, turns out this thing is so deep in the base code that we can't change anything because it breaks the entire game", just like billboards. Did you know about that one, by the way? If they remove billboards, then undocking doesn't work anymore. Legacy code, and all that. Quote: and keep ignoring the obvious logical step that they investigated changing it because they themselves perceived it to be broken. And keep on making that illogical leap while ignoring pretty much everything ever written down about game development, just because you want it to be true. And definitely keep on making arguments about game balance from a position of total ignorance. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15937	Posted - 2016.01.27 18:27:26 - [42] - Quote Lyma Sarum wrote: There is 0 (zero) balance when it comes to a new player coming in and like me wants to haul. Yeah, and you can't fly a Titan in your first week either. Some things just aren't for new players. Simple as that. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15939	Posted - 2016.01.27 20:39:55 - [43] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Lyma Sarum wrote: There is 0 (zero) balance when it comes to a new player coming in and like me wants to haul. Yeah, and you can't fly a Titan in your first week either. Some things just aren't for new players. Simple as that. Not an argument for or against but could a decent pilot perma bump something like a badger? Never tried to bump a T1, to be honest. I doubt their align time is bad enough for that, however. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15939	Posted - 2016.01.27 20:44:40 - [44] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Hell, using a MWD just while aligning will likely make bumping that much more difficult even if it extends your align time...hitting a fast moving target is harder than a slow lumbering target. While I absolutely agree with the rest, I'll point out that a good enough bumper makes this untrue. I've seen people knock MWD'ing Skiffs halfway across a grid pretty consistently. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15954	Posted - 2016.01.27 23:53:10 - [45] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: rabble rabble Funny how you tend to equate bumping with ganking. Take away bumping and freighter ganking is still 100% viable, just not so easy mode as it is right now. You know that thing is a two way street....right? AFK, autopiloting overloaded freighter going through a heavily traversed choke point system...talk about easy mode. Especially from a self professed "white knight" (and by the way, why would anyone ever admit to being such a thing?) who spends all their time defending the two lowest common denominators in the entire MMO industry. Mining, and hauling. You know, two playstyles with about ten clicks per hour of activity. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15955	Posted - 2016.01.28 00:05:26 - [46] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Hey now, IGÇÖve been known to mine on occasionGÇªin a skiff with as heavy a tank as I can put on it. I go with the model of how to not be eaten by a bearGÇªI donGÇÖt have to run faster than the bear, just faster than the other guy. I figure if I sacrifice mining yield in favor of tankGÇªit will be other guy who didnGÇÖt that will get GÇ£eatenGÇ¥ and IGÇÖll scoot on off the station in the mean time. Yeah, and I'm actually an expert hauler, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the gameplay for what it is. Without the threat of other players to drive more action on my part, it would be the easiest gameplay out there. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15962	Posted - 2016.01.28 14:23:32 - [47] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Now I am pontificating, but I think it is this palpable anger that gives many in the anti-ganking community an off-putting stench which repels most players from sticking with them long term. When your game play is solely motivated by spite and the desire to hurt players you don't like for some reason, it is hard to find much fun in playing this game. It's a theory I've had for some time. Any philosophy or movement that defines itself solely in opposition to something else, without any standing merits of it's own, is an inherently toxic one. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15966	Posted - 2016.01.28 19:21:23 - [48] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: "I know you are but what I am?" Cute. You can call gankers many things but they always seem to be having fun. Not sure you can say the same about anti-ganking - in fact that channel is often full of... angst. But whatever, this is all off topic. OP, please forgive my musings. It's an excellent example of what I was talking about in my earlier post. "Anti gankers" define themselves entirely by their opposition to something, by how they hate that other people have fun in a way they don't approve of. It's petty fascism and intellectual tyranny, played out in a videogame. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15966	Posted - 2016.01.28 20:14:53 - [49] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: It is as if you've defined YOUR gameplay on hating a specific section of this game's population and if the tools for your hate were to be changed you'd lose your purpose. Note several things in this sentence. First and most obvious, the projection. The sheer hubris of a self professed anti ganker trying to claim that anyone else's gameplay is based on hating someone else is simply staggering. Secondly, the barely hidden snide insinuation that their intent is in fact to nerf the other side out of existence. The carebear here very much does want us to have no "purpose", such are the depths of their hatred of real players. And last but not least, trying to claim that such a simple thing as bumping and the existence of non consensual PvP itself equate to "tools for your hate". This is a very common carebear tactic, trying to denigrate and degrade opposition to make nerfs seem more palatable. They do this because they know that if they actually expressed what they want, the removal of non consensual PvP and complete safety in highsec so they can mindlessly farm without end, then they would be rejected by all reasonable people. Thus they take a roundabout route, attacking anything that stands against their unjust desires. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15967	Posted - 2016.01.28 20:33:50 - [50] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: I thought that trolling is prohibited by forum rules. It is, which is why I've been wondering why your posts are still here. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15967	Posted - 2016.01.28 21:47:49 - [51] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Honestly, talking to a brick wall is more productive then trying to prove a point to you guys. That's just it, you don't have a point to begin with. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15971	Posted - 2016.01.29 01:00:19 - [52] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: I thought this thread was about bumping, not looting. Well, that's where you're wrong. This is the "find any possible excuse to nerf ganking" thread. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15973	Posted - 2016.01.29 01:43:20 - [53] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Does this really occur frequently in freighter ganks that the catalysts loot and eject before dying? Nope, that is a lie and an oft repeated falsehood of the anti ganking "community". Pretty sure it was invented by the same guy who devised the "open fifty instances of the in game browser to crash your client when you get tackled" trick. That one was funny, because I'm pretty sure it actually got one of them banned for trying it. Every gank I've ever been on, they just straight up looted the freighter afterward. Quote: With a freighter carrying 1 million m^3 approximately, why are we even talking about this as an issue at all? Because the anti gankers hope that if they tell enough lies eventually one of them will stick. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15973	Posted - 2016.01.29 02:19:28 - [54] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Dunno where you get the idea that I want content removed from hisec Because you want to remove content from highsec. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15983	Posted - 2016.01.29 11:54:10 - [55] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Even if it was not the case, one question remains - why should one be forced into becoming a criminal to fight criminals in hisec? You aren't forced to. What you want is to kill the non criminals, the bumper especially, without having to gank them. You want to have your cake and eat it too, which will never happen. If you refuse to use all the options available to you, your gameplay should be limited, simple as that. Don't like it? Then man up and become a real player. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15991	Posted - 2016.01.30 12:58:43 - [56] - Quote baltec1 wrote: This is another freighter style nerf in the making. Exactly this. I really can't figure out why they didn't learn their lesson from the freighter thread. The morons who cried for ten years to get fitting slots on freighters somehow convinced themselves that it would be nothing but a net buff. Unfortunately for them, CCP hasn't completely forgotten what game balance is just yet. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15991	Posted - 2016.01.30 16:28:58 - [57] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: First point... Ohhh so I don't get to dictate... But you get to dictate what they do with their "player freedom". Ego?? Yep. You don't get to dictate jack ** to anybody else what they do with their player freedom. Certainly not because you aren't smart enough to bring a web escort. Quote: 2nd point - Deserved by who? You. Defend yourself, or die. But don't cry about the obvious consequences of the choices you made. Quote: I don't want to remove that risk. Yes you do. That's pretty obvious from your posting. Quote:** But you as a ganker need to assume more risk for repeated ganks. Not from the NPCs, I don't. If you want something done, do it yourself. Quit asking to have your hand held. If you think gankers should have more risk, then be a real player and bring risk to them. That's what the gankers are doing, after all. They think hauling should have more risk, so they bring risk to the haulers. That's how the game is supposed to work. Oh, and there is no more sure way to look like an imbecile than by quoting Gevlon Goblin. Just so you know. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15992	Posted - 2016.01.30 17:29:02 - [58] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: Remember before Crime watch came out? I bet you were making the same arguments back then also. Yeah, and I was right, Crimewatch is abominable. Quote: No I don't want to remove risk from Highsec. Yes, you do. Quote: I want it fair, No escort.. higher risk, NO HARASSMENT Bumping is not harassment, period. You don't get to unilaterally and arbitrarily define something as harassment in order to get rid of it. Quote: Gankers = low risk... NEED more to obtain the higher reward. Risk vs reward applies exclusively to PvE activity, specifically, only to things that generate assets into the game world. Ganking is a PvP activity, and that means that the risk AND the reward are 100% in the hands of the opposing players. You do not get to nerf ganking or bumping just because haulers make bad choices. We are taking advantage of their mistakes. That is fully intended gameplay, and you don't get to cut it off at the knees because you think that failing to defend yourself should have less consequences. Quote: So I make a reference to his stats... and I am the "imbecile". Yep. He's basically world renowned for twisting math and stats to say whatever he wants them to say. His agenda overrides every other concern. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15995	Posted - 2016.01.30 20:01:31 - [59] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: Sounds like you never have tried to. One of us hasn't. The rest of us have sat on gates in a sebo Thrasher and popped a few of them before Concord finishes them off, then laughed as they missed the gank because they lost too many volleys. Oh, and then the wreck, of course. Hey, I just cost them hundreds of millions of isk (not to mention wasted the criminal cooldowns for a twenty man fleet) for a net investment of eight million on my part. And the sec status loss for shooting a wreck is pretty pathetic to boot, so you can't even say that I lost anything. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16004	Posted - 2016.01.30 22:50:10 - [60] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: There is no risk or penalty for the BUMPER. Why would there be? It's an explicitly non hostile act. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16004	Posted - 2016.01.30 23:33:24 - [61] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: And again, no way to discuss it with you lot. What discussion is there to be had? You want us to entertain your dishonest premise as though it were true. You want us to talk as though bumping were somehow "harassment" or "broken" or whatever other flimsy justification you care to use. And since that is not true, I for one will not entertain that. There is no discussion to be had from a lie. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16006	Posted - 2016.01.31 00:19:27 - [62] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Because removal of bumping, get ready for this revelation, would not remove the ability to gank those ships in any shape or form. Then why change anything? Oh, because you're intending it as a nerf to ganking despite your claims otherwise. That's why. Quote: Other reason is in the fact that bumping (w/o ganking the bumper) contains no risk or penalty for the bumper whatsoever Of course, because it's not hostile. Just like I have to do if I want a non hostile dead, you have to gank him if you want to bring risk into his gameplay. Speaking of which, I think NPCs should camp gates and make it functionally impossible for unescorted freighters to get through, because otherwise freighters have no risk or penalty whatsoever. If your argument is good for the goose, then it's good for the gander too, huh? Quote: and the only consequence is on a char which is (in vast majority of cases) a disposable alt in a noob ship which (quite often and that has been reported) gets recycled after a while. Remember when you got all butthurt when I pointed you that you frequently accuse lots of people of perma ban offenses without proof? So now you're not only doubly a liar, you're also a hypocrite. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16006	Posted - 2016.01.31 00:29:55 - [63] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Where did I say that it would have no effect. I said that it would not remove the ability to gank. Just like increasing Concord response times did not remove the ability to gank. Or making them invincible, or making them jam, or any of the other endless parade of nerfs to content in highsec for the last decade. "just one more nerf" "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16008	Posted - 2016.01.31 00:36:59 - [64] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: As said previously, some of the people in AG have identified recycled ganker alts and reported them to CCP. Yeah, if you people told me the sun would come up tomorrow, I would wake up at five thirty just to double check. I don't believe a thing you angsty, hateful carebears say. Oh, and hiding my posts just makes it look like I hit the mark. Bullseye. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16010	Posted - 2016.01.31 01:01:50 - [65] - Quote Ah yes, because linking a random guy in Doomheim is proof of anything. (well, besides that anti ganking has admitted to mass reporting to try and get people banned) Blow this more off topic, please. Oh, and please project some more accusations at me while you do it. In particular, the one about being prejudiced against anything you don't agree with gave me a good laugh. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16012	Posted - 2016.01.31 01:08:46 - [66] - Quote So, our anti ganker friend there has just proven themselves to: Be a liar. Make up things when they have no facts. Knowingly and deliberately abuse the petition system and encourage others to do the same. Prejudiced towards anything that goes against the skewed, wrong, carebear vision of this game. And who knows what else. Did I miss anything, guys? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16018	Posted - 2016.01.31 01:20:30 - [67] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: As for prejudices, let me quote you: And I'll say it again. The anti ganking community are the most hateful, angsty, miserable bunch of miscreants I have ever laid eyes on. I have known at least a dozen of you to make repeated death threats against people I personally know, I have seen you spew the most hateful **** I've ever heard in local at people who aren't even gankers because they have negative sec status (it was a PL blops pilot going for a skillbook), I have seen you encourage people to use exploits that don't even work to get out of being ganked, and I have seen you encourage people to abuse the petition system to get losses reimbursed that don't qualify. In short, you are all slime, and I don't believe a word that any of you say. If you people told me the sun was coming up tomorrow, I would wake up at five thirty to double check. And as for bumping, there are a number of reasons why you will never get your way. Any one of them would work to stifle your thinly veiled attempt to kill more emergent gameplay, but all of them stand against you nonetheless. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16018	Posted - 2016.01.31 01:22:42 - [68] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: If someone continually calls you a liar, hateful person, makes up stuff you never said, while continually derailing the discussion They might just be an anti ganker. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16026	Posted - 2016.01.31 01:38:45 - [69] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: I have no idea whom you are talking about regarding all these behaviors Did you miss the part where I said I don't believe what you say? You can deny until you're blue in the face, and I still won't care. You people crossed the line a long freaking time ago, and you all know how and why, and to whom. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16026	Posted - 2016.01.31 01:40:58 - [70] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Seems there's still no clear reason why my Freighter pilot deserves special treatment via protection from bumping. It should be obvious. So that there can be less PvP in highsec. That's the whole point, after all. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16029	Posted - 2016.01.31 01:45:34 - [71] - Quote Mag's wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Seems there's still no clear reason why my Freighter pilot deserves special treatment via protection from bumping. Seeing as my freighter pilot has been in far less risk than Mag's ever has, I tend to agree. Many trips, never a loss. So going by the risk table used by the AG crowd, shouldn't webbing and hauling get nerfed? Don't forget mining and exploration. And yeah, my freighter alt has never lost her ship, nor come in any danger of it. But then I use webs and scout my gates, and I also bought her a handy dandy permit from an approved agent of the New Order of Highsec. The best tank that isk can buy. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16029	Posted - 2016.01.31 01:48:18 - [72] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Wasn't hauling nerfed when freighters got low slots (choice - tank vs capacity)? Does their gameplay have any risk in it that doesn't come from other players? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16029	Posted - 2016.01.31 01:49:46 - [73] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Seriously....you are asking for the removal of webbing freighters? It's a fairly typical carebear fallacy, this time of totalitarianism. In this, they accidentally reveal their true goals, because they view any safety that isn't 100% as worthless. So long as there is any risk whatsoever, they will never be satisfied. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16032	Posted - 2016.01.31 02:01:14 - [74] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: He claimed that I made up recycled alts thingy. You did. You claimed it was alts used for ganking with negative sec status. All you proved was one character in Doomheim, which means nothing. Quote: He stated quite clearly that he doesn't believe anything someone from other groups claims. Nope. Not "other groups", I get along well with a lot of people, actually. YOUR group, on the other hand... "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16032	Posted - 2016.01.31 02:03:08 - [75] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Here's the death threats part https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6306176#post6306176. So now you're a liar again. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16034	Posted - 2016.01.31 02:18:50 - [76] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: And indeed I've confused Kaarous and Black Pedro in terms of rl threat thing quote, my aplogize for that part (the rest stands). It's quite late here "the rest stands"? What rest? The part where you claimed that alts were being recycled for ganking, then abjectly failed to prove anything of the sort? Or the part where you claim that I'm some kind of xenophobe, when in fact I've already repeatedly told you that I specifically have a problem with you and your little group? So please, tell me. What "rest" are you referring to? Or are you too tired to think that one through either? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16034	Posted - 2016.01.31 02:35:49 - [77] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Look, I mixed you up with Pedro on threats thing and apologized for it. From my perspective, you lied, got caught on it, and are backpedaling. Anyone else care to weigh in? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16035	Posted - 2016.01.31 02:55:59 - [78] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: After all I can tell that atm the game is skewed towards gankers by a large margin precisely thanks to bumping which provides choice of timing, ability for lazy ping-based reactions and the ability to avoid any opposition. I can see why big ganking groups are opposing the potential chages of bumping but in reality it would not make ganking impossible just more pro-active for both sides. Nevermind the "if anti ganking failed, then it must be broken" fallacy. Contrast this little rant to the "It would not nerf ganking" emphatic that he's been peddling in the thread for page after page. Carebears always lie. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16036	Posted - 2016.01.31 03:13:33 - [79] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Well, I would have said that it was balanced before I joined AG and participated in their efforts to prevent ganks. I dunno if you've noticed this yet, but considering you still willingly call yourself one of them I'm imagining you haven't... But they suck. Really, really hard. Few suck harder. Using them as your example only proves that "mad cause bad" is in full effect here. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16036	Posted - 2016.01.31 03:18:05 - [80] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Contrast this little rant to the "It would not nerf ganking" emphatic that he's been peddling in the thread for page after page. It would not nerf ganking. Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: After all I can tell that atm the game is skewed towards gankers by a large margin precisely thanks to bumping Lie again, I mean try again. Your intent is crystal clear, no matter how much you try to smokescreen. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16036	Posted - 2016.01.31 03:28:36 - [81] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Depends on your definition of a gank. It's like we're talking to ******* Bill Clinton here. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16046	Posted - 2016.01.31 15:04:00 - [82] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: Wow... So that's what it comes down to. Yep. Mad cause bad. You refuse to use all the tools available, and claim that somehow justifies adding more nerfs. You're wrong, you're spouting complete non logic, and you are what's wrong with this game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16054	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:29:29 - [83] - Quote Brad Neece wrote: As 98% make their trip freely? More than that. There were Red Frog numbers posted earlier, and they fail maybe 1% of their deliveries. And you can't very well chalk ALL of those up to ganking. There is no problem here. The only "problem" here is that some people think there shouldn't be any consequences for playing the game wrong. When there barely are to begin with. Just sit by in Perimeter and watch freighters come in for an hour, watch and see how many of them are completely overloaded, completely afk, and still they don't get ganked. You will see dozens in only an hour. That's how obscenely safe this damn game is. That only two groups with a nullsec sized SRP can afford to gank. Everyone else got nerfed to death. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16055	Posted - 2016.01.31 17:45:11 - [84] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: give an ak freighter pilot some small chance of escape when bumped Why? Why should they get anything more than they already have? Just use webs, and don't get bumped to begin with. Asking for a get out of jail free card for when you've drastically failed is unacceptable. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16061	Posted - 2016.01.31 19:25:58 - [85] - Quote Mag's wrote: Nitshe Razvedka wrote: Mags said something forgettable: "?" Says the guy with his member in his hand. Want me to get your CEO to hold your other one. You are a delicate petal. Wait what? I have two members? Watch as Mags awards himself the "Wins at Bar Bets" medal. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16066	Posted - 2016.01.31 19:32:56 - [86] - Quote Dang it, I should have said "Bar Bets Trump Card" medal. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16067	Posted - 2016.01.31 19:38:37 - [87] - Quote Mag's wrote: Does it mean I win Eve though? On another note, the Wife has just informed me, that there is a guy out there with two. So now I know what she Googles. Wonder how long she had that little piece of trivia in the holster. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16067	Posted - 2016.01.31 19:45:10 - [88] - Quote Mag's wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Mag's wrote: Does it mean I win Eve though? On another note, the Wife has just informed me, that there is a guy out there with two. So now I know what she Googles. Wonder how long she had that little piece of trivia in the holster. Seems she's been chatting with our eldest daughters. Now I'm not sure what to think. Well I suppose I should be used to this stuff, after all these years. So glad my kids are both under 6. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16069	Posted - 2016.01.31 19:49:43 - [89] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: but having a minute chance of escaping unlimited bumping is hardly a 'get out of jail free card'. Except you have ways out of that already. They just involve other people. Why should you get any more? Because you don't use what already exists? This is not a game mechanics problem. It's an attitude problem. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16074	Posted - 2016.01.31 20:03:49 - [90] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: yes, the attitude of entitlement that gankers seem to have Ah, and the projection starts. Like the people who are asking for freighters to be even more disgustingly safe than they already are aren't the entitled ones. Bring escort webs or get used to the idea of dying, carebear. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16078	Posted - 2016.01.31 21:24:25 - [91] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: the title of this thread is 'balancing bumping and looting mechanics' , anyone who thinks that unlimited bumping with absolutely no consequence for the bumper isn't a broken mechanic is imho a few knives short of a cutlery set. Of course bumping has no mechanical consequences. It is not a hostile act. Where your engines happen to be pointed will never be anything that has "consequences", because otherwise you basically break the whole game. Quote: Eve is supposedly all about consequences for your actions Yeah, between players. If you want bumping to have "consequences", then come inflict them yourself, coward. It's what the gankers are doing after all. They decided that they don't want hauling to be completely free of risk, so they are doing something about it and bringing risk to the haulers. And that's the difference between carebears and real players. Real players get something done themselves, carebears want the game to play itself for them. Oh, and it gets funnier every time when you people talk about "easy mode" while defending hauling and mining. There is nothing in the MMO industry more lowest common denominator than hauling and mining. But apparently you think they need to be easier. Get over yourself. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16081	Posted - 2016.02.01 00:25:20 - [92] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: If a solution relies on a player having to use an alt (i.e. a second account), that's no solution. Wrong. Capital ships are not solo vessels. If the idea of having a second account is so distasteful, nothing prevents you from having a second player do it. Quote: Players should not have to play the game with a main and an alt to avoid a certain built-in game mechanic. If you really believe that, then you might as well just quit right now, because that's true of a hell of a lot of things in EVE. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16094	Posted - 2016.02.01 13:39:35 - [93] - Quote This just in. Looks like CCP says "nope!" to the claim that it's too easy to loot a freighter. Freighters are having their wreck hitpoints increased to fifteen thousand. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16103	Posted - 2016.02.01 15:07:34 - [94] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: I guess there's no need contemplating the irony of situation The irony of the situation is that you lot wouldn't know game balance if it snuck up and bit you in the ass. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16103	Posted - 2016.02.01 15:09:37 - [95] - Quote Oh, and let's not forget the part where you think activism should only go one way. That's "irony" too, although it's actually naked hypocrisy, but I disgress. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16110	Posted - 2016.02.01 15:27:14 - [96] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Oh, and let's not forget the part where you think activism should only go one way. That's "irony" too, although it's actually naked hypocrisy, but I disgress. So you admit that they cried as well. Well, thank you good sir, you made my day. I didn't say that, liar. If you actually bother to read it, the change was made for very different reasons. Despite that, however, you immediately begin pouring out tears when you even think your own tactics are being used by the other side. And it's delicious. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16110	Posted - 2016.02.01 15:30:58 - [97] - Quote I'll give you a hint since I'm such a generous person, and I know anti gankers are too bad at the game to figure it out for themselves. The change had to do with capital ships, in fleet combat in particular. Freighter wrecks followed suit because they too are capital ships, for the sake of verisimilitude. That said, if CCP had thought your points in this thread had any merit, they would have exempted freighters. They did not, ergo they discounted your claims. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16110	Posted - 2016.02.01 15:32:26 - [98] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: So what was the point of your reply Mostly to laugh at your hypocrisy and all those tears. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16110	Posted - 2016.02.01 15:35:28 - [99] - Quote To borrow a page from your own book... "It doesn't nerf anti ganking, it just nerfs shooting the wreck after the gank." And of course, if you thought we should be happy with the same crap you pointed at us, if you have any intellectual honesty whatsoever you'll be completely happy with this change. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16112	Posted - 2016.02.01 16:07:40 - [100] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Capital wrecks in fleet combat? People had problems probing and warping to capitals in this game? Are you an idiot? You can warp to wrecks on grid, so people blew them up to deny the warp in point. Jesus Christ, this is not as hard as you are making it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16116	Posted - 2016.02.01 17:34:05 - [101] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: Correct, this is the problem. Thank you for seeing it. It should be a hostile act. No, it should not. Nevermind that it is neither inflicting any damage to the other player nor inflicting a negative status effect on it, but there is absolutely no way the game's engine can actually tell what is or isn't intended as hostile based on where the person's engines are pointed. Activating a prop mod isn't a hostile act either, in case you were going there next. Quote: Smashing into someone's ship continuously for 30 minutes to an hour is hostile. One wonders what the hauler was doing the whole time. His nails, presumably. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16116	Posted - 2016.02.01 17:50:56 - [102] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: What were they doing, not much. They can't do much. That is the problem. But they can. There has been a wealth of useful things listed in this thread that a freighter pilot can do both to avoid that situation, and to get out of it. And if he really both has no friends and did not bring an escort, then he deserves what he gets. Self destruct. There is always a way out. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16116	Posted - 2016.02.01 18:23:24 - [103] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: KickAss Tivianne wrote: Correct, this is the problem. Thank you for seeing it. It should be a hostile act. No, it should not. Nevermind that it is neither inflicting any damage to the other player nor inflicting a negative status effect on it, That's the whole core of the mechanic here. You can "point" a ship if it's agility is too low and the game does not and probably never will have a way to "see" this. Even if a game rule was made to combat it, the engine would not be able to enforce it without breaking many more things in the game. There are probably thousands of un-intended collision in the game for every intended bump. Still, I usually laugh when I try to picture the same things IRL where a bunch of tug boats would mess around with a freighter moving him away from his intended heading. Oh it's absolutely doable too. I've seen tugs push much bigger ships out of ice floes, when I used to live in Alaska. And we all know, or at least those of us who aren't ignorant anti gankers, that this game uses a fluidic physics model. I laugh every time I see someone say that it's not "realistic", because they don't have a clue. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16118	Posted - 2016.02.01 18:29:25 - [104] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: I meant more along the line of a ship wanting to enter harbor and a buch of tugs just going "**** you!!!" and spinning it back toward high sea. Oh I know, what I'm saying is that's absolutely feasible. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16118	Posted - 2016.02.01 18:44:23 - [105] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: Are you comparing RL with Eve Actually, I'm mocking those who do so incorrectly. The rest of your little rant only makes your position weaker, since Concord magically comes without being called, something that really shouldn't be the case. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16119	Posted - 2016.02.01 19:13:50 - [106] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: It was not a rant. It very much was, and you made yourself look foolish. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16120	Posted - 2016.02.01 20:52:40 - [107] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: This problem exists and have been perceived by many people. The only problem here is with your perception. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16127	Posted - 2016.02.01 21:27:39 - [108] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: KickAss Tivianne wrote: This problem exists and have been perceived by many people. The only problem here is with your perception. Wrong my friend. I do have a long boring video that I will be happy to share with CCP. But nice try. Go right ahead. If you aren't ignored or laughed at, I suspect their answer will be something along the lines of: "What was he doing the whole time, his nails? Why didn't he try to get away?" "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16128	Posted - 2016.02.01 23:46:25 - [109] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: Why is holding someone indefinitely with a point in a wardec ok, but bumping them is bad? They both do the same thing in the same area of space, with similar options for the one being held. Oh, oh! I know the answer! It's because both are fine, and in both situations if you ask the GMs about it, they will tell you to just self destruct and get on with your life. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16130	Posted - 2016.02.02 01:22:44 - [110] - Quote KickAss Tivianne wrote: I appreciate the attempt. This is what makes it a Ganker's game. They control the speed of the game.. target, and when to do it. You can spend a day there, and unless you are fed intel you might not see anything. Even if you are fed intel it could be a slow day, or week. People who have been doing this for a year or so know. So now you basically just hate player freedom. Because you're crying that the people who decide to take the initiative... get the initiative. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16140	Posted - 2016.02.02 21:03:27 - [111] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: As it has been pointed out so many times before, having a webber guarantees nothing as seen in this case (if you look at that char's kb, you'll find more similar cases). That BB died suicide tackling the bowhead, which died too after 43 minutes. So webs mean nothing really. Nothing is guaranteed and that's part of what makes this game so great. as was said earlier, once you're bumped you're pretty much guaranteed to die.... And the people who said that, you included, are wrong. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16142	Posted - 2016.02.02 21:32:12 - [112] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: I'm sorry, i must have been imagining all those nights in uedama where codes bumpers just stacked up bumped freighters for the slaughter for hours at a time i guess. Just because no one bothered to do anything about it, doesn't mean nothing could have been done. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16147	Posted - 2016.02.02 22:11:55 - [113] - Quote By the way, it's not much of an assumption to say that anti ganking just sits by and wrings their hands instead of doing anything. That's a safe enough bet that they wouldn't take it in Vegas, because they don't like certain losses. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16151	Posted - 2016.02.03 13:45:06 - [114] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: I'm trying to point out some things which relate to ganking which are broken and which, if taken away, would not make ganking any less possible than it is right now. This lie again huh. Never have anything new in the carebear playbook, so they're bound to repeat themselves I suppose. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16157	Posted - 2016.02.04 14:58:13 - [115] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: I want to play in HIGHSEC and be SAFE. What is wrong with that? Everything about that is wrong. Quote: I want to play the game in MY way; not have someone force their game on me. Then you are playing the wrong game. EVE Online was founded on non consensual PvP. Which by the way is not "griefing", either, no matter your petty attempts at mischaracterization. Quote: I want an area where I can pursue my peaceful activities in relative peace. What's wrong with that? Everything. You have no right whatsoever to be able to pretend like this PvP sandbox MMO is a single player game. Uninstall. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16157	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:02:12 - [116] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: I define douchery as taking pleasure in inflicting pain onto others. No one cares what you define. You don't matter. Oh, and if you feel "pain" just because you are allowed to lose in a PvP game, you have a mental problem and should seek psychological help. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16161	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:07:30 - [117] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: Also how many cling to the notions that CCP made this game specifically so that people could harass, annoy and grief other players without any risk or consequences.. Your blatant hyperbole aside, that is exactly what CCP made this game for. Quote: Once again, I'm talking about HIGHSEC, I'm talking about assigning CONSEQUENCES to criminal behavior in HIGHSEC You're talking about putting more mechanical penalties on the only playstyle that has any to begin with, because like all carebears you are a selfish hypocrite. And like all carebears, you are playing the wrong game, and your narcissism won't allow you to admit it, so you demand that the entire structure of the game be broken completely to make up for your bad decisions. And the answer is no. In fact, I suspect in the near future that highsec will be rendered much, much less safe. And it will be a benefit to this game, because conflict is the beating heart of EVE Online. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16161	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:09:01 - [118] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: but you are allowed to post: "Oh, and if you feel "pain" just because you are allowed to lose in a PvP game, you have a mental problem and should seek psychological help" I posted that, dumbass, not him. And it's 100% true. No normal, well adjusted adult feels "pain" when they lose at a PvP video game. If you do, then something is direly wrong with you, and you need to uninstall this game and seek professional help. You are broken, maladjusted and abberant, and you need to be fixed. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16163	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:21:41 - [119] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: Thanks for YOUR opinion. That's not my opinion. See the CCP quote above. As far as this game is concerned, God himself just walked down out of the clouds, pointed an enormous, glowing finger at you and said "You are completely wrong about everything you say" in a booming voice. Quote: Actual trends in Eve development of HIGHSEC gameplay tell quite a different story. Yeah, and just watch that PCU plummet every time they've done it. Meanwhile, their own stats from last year's Fanfest have set an unquestionable mandate. PvP in highsec improves retention of new players. There's only one way to go from there. And it's not your way. Quote: Stop acting so butthurt Such blatant projection. I'm not the one crying in all caps for several pages about how I hate the way the game works right now. That's you, and only you. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16163	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:23:15 - [120] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: except I'm pointing out UNBALANCED gameplay It's not unbalanced, you're just bad at the game. Quote: What do you call it when someone preys upon the weak? EVE Online. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16164	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:29:31 - [121] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: Another "cornerstone of Eve is "RISK vs REWARD" It's really funny when carebears talk about things they've heard of, but don't really know anything about. Risk vs reward applies exclusively to activities that generate assets into the game world. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16167	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:47:31 - [122] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: So you say "RISK vs REWARD" applies to miners manufacturers and NOT to gankers? Yes. A PvP activity, like all meta activities, has it's risk and reward driven entirely by the actions of the opposing player. Risk vs reward is not in play if a hauler decides to fill his hold full of plex. In that instance, if I gank him I get a much, much greater reward for exactly the same risk as if I gank a guy with a hold full of exotic dancers. But that was the choice that he made. Risk vs reward does not apply to any PvP activity, solely to PvE. Quote: I have equal say as you do, sorry. No you don't. Opinions are not equal nor of equal merit. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16168	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:54:41 - [123] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: unless you're a bumping mach pilot for some reason It's not for some reason, I'll tell you what the exact reason is. It's because carebears are gutless worms who lack the wherewithal to inflict consequences on them. Of course they go untouched for the most part, because their only real potential opposition aren't real players anyway. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16171	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:10:39 - [124] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: the way I see it, ANYONE who pays for an account is a real player. Nope. Quote: You play YOUR game; I'll play mine. No you won't. Your game involves breaking the sandbox and not letting other people interact with you. Your game involves being perfectly safe in a PvP sandbox game. You will never play "your game", not as long as you are playing EVE Online. Quote: All I want is that what is obviously UNBALANCED be fixed. It's not unbalanced, you're just bad at this game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16175	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:31:44 - [125] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: BUT it is a totally UNBALACED game mechanic when you can BUMP aggressively in HISEC without risk. No, it is not. You're just bad at the game. And you can't try to lie and say that you don't want safety in highsec, when you very clearly want precisely that. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16175	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:36:08 - [126] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: The ideas of some AG and their friends about how to "fix" bumping are so bad, I'm almost in favor of it myself now. "make it a criminal/suspect act to bump a freighter even once!" Okay, so I can sit in front of the Jita undock with my alt in a Charon, and me in a Kronos, and rack up free kills. But you have to admit, it's not that much of a surprise that their ideas would kill the game. They very obviously hate the game, and they want to kill it. Hidden in the vitriolic masochism of their spiteful ideas is their true intent, to destroy this game like the locusts they are. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16180	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:46:08 - [127] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: I don't like the idea that the BUMPER has nothing to lose when he does so in HISEC.. What you like or don't like does not matter. You aren't a real player anyway, and your opinion is worthless. Quote: That would be playing THEIR game, not mine. I like how you openly admit that "your game" is not playing the game at all and still having perfect safety anyway. You are entitled to nothing. Certainly not your selfish, broken idea of what you think the game should be. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16184	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:59:36 - [128] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: excuse me, i'm trying to have a proper discussion here while throwing some ideas into the pot. Oh come on dude. You're like, one or two steps above Straightjacket over there flagellating in the corner. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16184	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:01:35 - [129] - Quote Space Justice Warrior, not even once. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16187	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:10:52 - [130] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Bella Jennie wrote: great idea! BLOCKED Brilliant! Now, I will give some spacebux to whoever quotes this and any subsequent post so that the OP may see my 'stalking'! Until CCP deems bumping criminal behaviour, OP, you don't have a leg to stand on - and all of your drivel is so much farting in the wind. Absolutely correct. I would also that bumping neither consists of inflicting damage nor using a negative status effect on another player, which are expressly required components of criminal behavior. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16191	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:18:23 - [131] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: Guy in a NPC Corp flying a Battleship BUMPS and cannot be touched when he is actually using BUMPING as if it were a Warp Scrambler.. No he's not. No debuff is being applied to the hauler. Quote: This is UNBALANCED. No it's not. You're just bad at this game. Quote: It's not the degree of safety Considering your opening posts in this thread, it very obviously is. You're outraged that highsec is any less than 100% safe. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16191	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:20:05 - [132] - Quote Mazzara wrote: its funny watching all the bumpers come out crying that, their tactic is balanced and counterable, but yet whine in the AFK cloaky forum about how scared they are in null sec when someone is afk cloaked, come afk cloaking is just as counterable as bumping. You're pretty well confused. It's the same people crying in both threads(most notably Mike Voidstar, who once spent twenty pages of a previous "Waah bumping!" thread crying about it). Not only is bumping fine, but so is afk cloaking. So you very literally have it backwards. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16191	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:24:57 - [133] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: AG: "this is broken it needs fixing and has no consequences" most of us: "it's not broken, there are plenty of ways to avoid it" AG "I don't want to use those ways because they have consequences" The thread nothing, I think that's the TL;DR of anti ganking as a whole. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16198	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:33:14 - [134] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Bella Jennie wrote: OMG these "uber players" badmouth "carebear's Whining" yet I have never seen such a huge procession of the badly butthurt! Are you looking in the mirror again? You are, aren't you? Not only that, but in more ways than one. Sure seems to me like they're having their main agree with them in the thread, so this is a mirror match. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16199	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:51:13 - [135] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: BUMPING is an attack if it is applied to prevent me from warping.. No it isn't, and no it doesn't. Your warp engines are not locked out whatsoever. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16200	Posted - 2016.02.04 19:12:16 - [136] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: the freighter is always at risk as soon as he undocks Then equally so is the faction battleship they have undocked with basically no tank and fit for speed and speed alone, and guaranteed to be within 20km of a gate pretty much all the time. The difference is that one side are real players and willing to do something about it, and the other side aren't. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16200	Posted - 2016.02.04 19:33:14 - [137] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: my suggestion involves players being able to inflict consequences onto a bumper(s) You already can do that. Why should you get anything else, just because you won't use what you already have? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16201	Posted - 2016.02.04 19:41:25 - [138] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: 'real players' who have pretty much unlimited resources and suffer little or no consequences to any losses inflicted on them cos good ole uncle jimmy or mittens is always there to hold their hands in case they get hurt by the consequences of their actions ? who have no worries about sec status cos all they do is undock , warp , lock hit f1 , those the 'real players' you're talking about? a speed fit mach is a slightly harder target to pop than a freighter as i am sure you are fully aware, but do carry on trolling. That's it? That's your answer? "Grr, nullsec" is the best you can do? They have every bit the same opportunities as you do, and that includes alt accounts and alternate sources of income. Cry more that alts exist, but this isn't the right thread for it. But seriously, is that the excuse you're going to use for why you don't bother using the existing mechanisms to attack the bumper? Because you aren't in a nullsec alliance? Even for a carebear, that's a damned stupid answer. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16203	Posted - 2016.02.04 19:52:40 - [139] - Quote Problem: NPC corp alts being used to troll without consequences. Solution: Ban all NPC corp characters from posting in Player Features and Ideas Discussion. Conclusion: MUCH less consequence-free trolling. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16205	Posted - 2016.02.04 19:59:57 - [140] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: pointing out that the 'real players' referred to are not quite 'real players' due to the fact that they are most commonly alts who have a very limited style of play Really? Because I know plenty of people in CODE, for example, who gank with their mains. Having been in CODE, and being a CODE supporter since basically day 1, after all. Meanwhile the Miniluv guys do both, since they're all nullsec anyway so their sec status is in the toilet regardless. What do you have to support your assertion? Because as far as I can tell, it's basically untrue. And, since you clearly cannot tell, "real player" is not determined by assets, but by attitude. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16205	Posted - 2016.02.04 20:06:29 - [141] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: Besides, you're talking about a change that has limited scope inside highsec, but a much, much broader impact in other areas. Trying to pawn this off as CCP catering to Goonswarm is disingenuous. if you want to call guaranteed freighter wreck looting by miniluv /code of limited scope inside highsec then u just go ahead. "Waah, effort" "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16209	Posted - 2016.02.04 20:08:57 - [142] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: I can't support this, as I'm currently in NPC corp. Being laid off from work, so in between jobs, makes me hesitant to join a corp when I don't know when my play time will be once I get a new job. Then again, this is my main, and with a couple exceptions when what I named one of my alts made the post funnier in C&P, I've always posted with my main. Good luck with the job hunting, it's hard out there. Keep at it and it'll happen, just has for me after nearly 3 years of failing at being self employed and doing agency scutwork. Having been in the job hunting business myself irl for a while, I also wish you luck. It's hard times out there. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16210	Posted - 2016.02.04 23:59:55 - [143] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: The point was not ridiculing, it was illustrating the fact that it will be easier to kill a pve fit tengu then a wreck, capital or not. His fit, while not the best, was certainly working for his purposes and definetely wasn't the worst I've ever seen. Except that it won't. What are the resists of a wreck? What are the resists (even base) of that Tengu fit? Total damage =/= total output hit values. The incoming damage is mitigated by resists, so that even with 14K damage on the lossmail, the total required damage output is significantly higher. Whereas for a wreck, it's just a flat 15K of any damage profile, since resists are 0. You are ridiculing a guy without even the knowledge of what the total damage output was required to get through his resists to do 1`4K damage. Nice one. Forget resists, there's a zero transversal. Although their tears and hypocrisy is frankly delicious. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16210	Posted - 2016.02.05 00:17:17 - [144] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Forget resists, there's a zero transversal. Yeah, I was just trying to make it as simple as possible. If the tengu was also stationary and there was 0 transversal, the 14K damage still doesn't mean it was easier to kill than a wreck. But absolutely, if the tengu is moving at all to mitigate damage, that also reduces incoming damage. It's just a poor understanding of what the values on a killmail mean. If it was stationary and fit with polarized launchers, then yeah it could be totally easier to kill than a wreck. But otherwise, it's not the right conclusion. Not like we weren't already aware that anti gankers don't actually know how to play the game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16213	Posted - 2016.02.05 22:53:51 - [145] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: - so first: is it intentional or not? *facepalm The game engine cannot determine intent. Like, at all, it lacks the capacity. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16220	Posted - 2016.02.05 23:03:47 - [146] - Quote Mag's wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Bella Jennie wrote: - so first: is it intentional or not? facepalm The game engine cannot determine intent. Like, at all, it lacks the capacity. I tried to explain this to bigbud. Apparently it didn't matter. It's a motherfucking background process of the physics engine, for crying out loud. it's probably just a simple collision check, no different than say, Skyrim. You can't change jack *** about that, let alone try to tag along a bunch of other checks associated with a higher level process (like flagging). Idk all that much about stackless Python from fifteen years ago, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. They'd have to rewrite the game from the ground up, something they haven't been able to do in half a decade or more, or they wouldn't have taken so long to replace POSes. Speaking of which, teachable moment here. Did you know that, in all likelihood, they have not actually fixed POS code at all? What they've done is functionally cut it out of the game by replacing it with a different mechanic, the Citadel system. The POS code is most likely still intertwined into the base game, they're just going to delete all the in game instances of it once they have a stable replacement, and then pretend like it doesn't exist. You know how I know this? Two reasons. We've been told repeatedly that CCP has been unable to fix the POS code because it was largely undocumented and wound into too many other things in the base game. Removing it would break EVE in a fundamental, unfixable way. I have no reason to believe they lied about this, so the second assumption moves forward from that. Secondly, that they have been making their own mini structures in the form of the various, and mostly loathed, deployables for the past year or so. They have been testing and building upon their ability not to fix the POS code, but to build a stable replacement. Hopefully that makes sense to everybody, I have had a few. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16220	Posted - 2016.02.05 23:04:50 - [147] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: This happened with making Concord invincible. Yep. Some of the newer players may not know this, but waaaay back you could kill CONCORD. yea and waaay back you ganked 1st day newbies and played with cans.. - fun times, lots of laughs at all the carebear tears.. it was a game for jerks.. It had way more players and way more active players back then. Pretty clear which one the market prefers. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16221	Posted - 2016.02.05 23:14:48 - [148] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: exactly... so how about they check me.. I'm trying to align and warp; perhaps it's taking longer than it should No can do. Introduces a secondary client based check for something like that(as opposed to the currently "streamed" server based check), and thus adds a HUGE potential for hacking in which you can flag somebody on the same grid as you. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16221	Posted - 2016.02.05 23:17:14 - [149] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Translation: Hi CCP, I demand you change the game to suit my desires and screw every other player who disagrees with me. You forgot the part about driving the game's active playerbase away so that CCP can promote the worst PvE content in the MMO industry to purely theoretical casual players. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16221	Posted - 2016.02.05 23:24:50 - [150] - Quote How much more of this goat rope are we going to entertain, before the carebear troll gets it into their head that computer code is not ******* magic? Have a look at this, carebear. That's the code for kicking a ball in a circle between a set number of individual instances of a single class, that can do nothing else. Needless to say, EVE Online, being an underwater submarine simulator press ganged into service as a space video game, is a fair bit more complicated. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16223	Posted - 2016.02.06 00:02:40 - [151] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Why don't you go play one of them rather than keep trying to ruin the one game on the market that caters to people who want all that EvE has to offer? The answer is simple. The sheer selfishness that can only be found in a malignant narcissist. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16237	Posted - 2016.02.06 13:52:29 - [152] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: We are saying that it SHOULD BE made illegal.. And that not only breaks game balance, is not necessary, but is also impossible. You very literally cannot be more wrong. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16237	Posted - 2016.02.06 14:45:19 - [153] - Quote bigbud skunkafella wrote: nothing is impossible just because you say it is. No, it's impossible because the developers have said it is. You want an example of what will happen if you mess with the base code of the physics system? Hit "Ctrl+Alt+Delete", then go into the task manager. From there, find a process (not a program) labeled "Windows Explorer." Then, right click that process and say "end process tree." That's an accurate approximation of what will happen to EVE if you mess with the base code. Oh, and if your proposal would add ANY server load whatsoever to the physics checks, you break the base game with lag. ANY check you add to the physics, even if you don't break the code itself, has to be replicated for each and every item, ship, structure, terrain, and every other thing in the game, all at once, all day, every day. You really should just learn to keep your bad ideas to yourself, carebear. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16237	Posted - 2016.02.06 16:19:14 - [154] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: are you a game programmer? Are you? Because I actually have some experience with coding(several years, and half a dozen contracted projects), enough to know that what you carebears are saying is not only a bad idea, but functionally impossible as well. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16237	Posted - 2016.02.06 16:21:42 - [155] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: So I just want clean, logical BALANCE.. No you don't. You want to break the game utterly because you are too lazy and too stupid to use the existing counters. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 16237	Posted - 2016.02.06 16:30:52 - [156] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: I don't claim any technical knowledge, but I'm quite familiar with gaming and my sense of logic is proven in the real world. Well, the last two are pretty clearly a lie. Quote: logic convinces me that BUMPING is broken: it's unrealistic and it's a GOOD IDEA to address it. That's not logic, that's your selfishness and projection talking. Basically it's your feelings, which are the polar opposite of logic. And they mean absolutely nothing, I might add, since this isn't tumblr. Quote: As far as "IMPOSSIBLE" - I prefer to leave that to CCP They've said as much many times, they cannot change the base code. You might be so ignorant as to think that your spewing tears all over this thread can change reality, but I'm not and neither are they. Reals > Feels, carebear. Get used to it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.

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